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Country of Origin:
Cameroon
                        Interview Date:
October 28, 2008
                        Location:
Kigali, Rwanda
                        Interviewer:
Lisa P. Nathan
                        Videographer:
Nell Carden Grey
                        Timestamp:
12:19 - 14:50
                        
                    Transcript
Lisa P. Nathan: So	in	your	time	here,	in	the	past	ten	years,	you’ve	had	many	experiences	 with	the	ICTR	in	the	Office	of	the	Prosecutor	working	with	evidence,	hearing	all	sorts	of	 stories	from	the	field,	stories	from	the	courts.	Has	there	been	anything	that	really	 surprised	you	about	the	way	the	court	and	the	ICTR	works?
Yeah,	mainly	what	surprised	me	a	lot	is	the	attitude	of	people	that	go	in	front	of	the	court.	 I’m	very surprised	because	what	they	did,	in	front	of	court	they,	they	don’t	accept	what,	 what	they	did	and	this	really	surprised	me.	Maybe	apart	of	one	or	two	cases,	three	cases	 where	there	a	plea	of	guilty,	guilty	plea	says,	“I	know	what	I’ve	done.	It	was	planned,”	you	 know.
Even	if	you	don’t	say	I’m	sorry	but	if	you	agree	on	what	you	have,	you	ha-,	you	have	done,	 for	me	I	(__),	I	can	understand.	But	you	see	in	the,	to	say	that	in	the	majority	of	cases,	they	 say,	everybody	says,	“No,	no.	I’m	not	guilty.	I’ve	not	done	anything,”	and	in	some	cases	 even	they	try	to	justify	what	they	have,	they	have	done. So	that,	this	is	also	for	me,	I	don’t	 think	that,	because	if	you	do	something	that	you	knew	that	what	you	are	doing,	you	should	 stand	and	accept	what	you	have	done	that.
“Yes,	I’ve	done	it.	I	knew	what	I	was	doing,”	and	maybe	try	to	justify	but	not	say,	“I	did	not	 do	it,”	and	justify	in	the	negative	way.	That	was,	me,	I	was,	’till	today	I	am,	I’m	very,	I'm	 very	surprised	of	the	attitude	when	we	have	accusation	in	front	of	the	court.
And	even	(___)	now,	with	the	lawyers,	you	know,	the	defense	also	will,	they,	they	will	do	 their	jobs,	say	that,	“Okay,	do	not	accept,”	as	you	know.	I	don’t,	I	don't	learn	anything	 (______)	to	you	but	the	defense	being	there,	the	defense	is	there	to,	to	protect,	to	protect	 those	who	are	indicted	in	the	court.
 
                 
                     
                     
                     
                    